User talk:UtherSRG

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Padshah UtherSRG 2024

You wrote "Since you can't explain in your own words, I see no reason to unblock you"

What own words? What do mean?

• What questions should I answer You just decline the unblock request.

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Carnivora

Hi, did you mean to roll back my edits at Carnivora? Nardog (talk) 23:30, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes. Your edits were not correct. car-nih-vor-ah.... not car-niv-or-ah. - UtherSRG (talk) 23:44, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Not correct how? What are you saying is the difference between kar-NIH-vər-ə and kar-NIV-ər-ə? Nardog (talk) 00:05, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

The "V" is in the third syllable, not the second. - UtherSRG (talk) 00:37, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

So the OED is wrong? Nardog (talk) 00:39, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

I see they spell it that way, but I listen to their pronunciation and I hear it they way I say it, with the V in the third syllable. - UtherSRG (talk) 00:43, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Merriam-Webster agrees with me. - UtherSRG (talk) 00:45, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

That's because there is no one universally agreed-upon method of syllabification for English, as explained in English phonology#Phonotactics. /ɪ/ is a checked vowel so English speakers find it difficult to produce it when it's not preceded by a consonant, as in nih. Respelling the following consonant together in the same syllable, as in niv, allows them to more intuitively identify what is meant by i. That's why we respell Minnesota, Michigan, Illinois, Libya, Himalayas, Mississippi, Cicero, Manila, Guinea, Anguilla, Brittany, Tbilisi, Barbiturate, Sikkim, Inuit, etc. with i and the following consonant in the same syllable, which Merriam-Webster does not do. If you think we should adopt M-W's syllabification, by all means suggest it on Help talk:Pronunciation respelling key, but you haven't made a case for why carnivora in particular should be exempt from this widely followed practice. Nardog (talk) 00:54, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

I do not see anywhere in the help link that the change you made is in any way more or less in alignment with our MOS. Can you be more specific? Looking at Illinois, for example, I see that respell is at odds with IPA. This seems confusing. - UtherSRG (talk) 01:45, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

See the first and fifth notes in H:RESPELL. The syllabification in IPA and respelling need not match. ih is a compromise for when it would be misleading to syllabify the following consonant together. The implicit corollary is that there's no reason not to syllabify it together when doing so comes with no disadvantage (as in carnivora).

I'm still at a loss as to why you think kar-NIH-vər-ə is superior to kar-NIV-ər-ə. Do you think nih /nɪ/ is a more plausible word than niv /nɪv/? Nardog (talk) 01:54, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Looks like note 1 allows your spelling, but doesn't make it preferred or mandatory. It would seem that maintaining alignment with IPA would be preferrable when possible, reserving the misalignment for when doing so adds clarity. Note 5 doesn't say anything about where the V goes, only that ih is used to disambiguate the sound when needed. Neither nih nor niv are words. With nih being the accented syllable, the checked vowel is more dominant than the following consonant. If I were teaching a child how to pronounce via resepll, I would think nih would be more helpful in learning the correct pronunciation. - UtherSRG (talk) 02:19, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

In fact, note 1 only deals with when the checked vowel is followed by a stressed syllable. In carnivora, the checked vowel is the stressed syllable, so Note 1 doesn't apply. - UtherSRG (talk) 02:21, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

No word in the entire English language ends in a stressed /ɪ/. That's why most sources, including the OED, Cambridge English Pronouncing Dictionary, Longman Pronunciation Dictionary, American Heritage Dictionary, and Random House Webster's Unabridged Dictionary, syllabify it and the following consonant together, placing M-W in the minority.

Note 1 is about how one should go against the usual syllabification in IPA to help readers precisely by syllabifying a checked vowel and the following consonant together. We wouldn't be prescribing it if we didn't think it was more helpful and intuitive to do so, stressed or not.

Of course the vowel is more dominant than the consonants in the syllable—that's the definition of a vowel—that it constitutes the syllable nucleus. If that's why you think kar-NIH-vər-ə is more helpful than kar-NIV-ər-ə, then isn't karn-IH-vər-ə even more so? If not, why not?

And do you think the respellings in Minnesota etc. I mentioned above should be changed? If not, what makes carnivora an exception? Nardog (talk) 03:21, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

No word ends in a stressed i, but syllables most certainly do. No, karn would be wrong. N is the first sound of the second syllable. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:04, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

You keep insisting with no reference what is or is not part of the syllable, while I've shown you there exist competing methods for syllabifying English words, and ignoring my repeated question about what makes this word in particular special. If you don't have an actual concrete argument, please keep your preference out of our articles. Again, if you think we should change how we respell syllables with checked vowels, bring it up on the key's talk page, but you have made no justification for why we should treat Carnivora differently from thousands of other articles in which we respell checked vowels and the following consonants together. Nardog (talk) 22:37, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Wikidata entries

Thanks for adding the Wikidata entries for all the sawfly species I added to Wikipedia. It was on my to-do list but now I can cross that off and add more sawflies!

Your hard work is not unnoticed. 😁

Epolk (talk) 00:09, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Aw thanks! :) UtherSRG (talk) 11:04, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Question from Lyubomira95 on Wikipedia:Article wizard/HowToDiscloseCOI (11:06, 20 August 2024)

Hallo, can you help me to publish mu ne Article page. --Lyubomira95 (talk) 11:06, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

@Lyubomira95: The article you have in your user space? As it stands it is not suitable. This is the English-language Wikipedia. We only accept articles written in English. If you wish to write in another language, you should go to that language's Wikipedia and do your work there. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:10, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Also, your userpage is not the correct space to make a draft. I have moved it to a more appropriate location: User:Lyubomira95/Lyrra. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:12, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

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CAM wikidata edits

	Amazing CAM contributor
	Thanks for adding to the wikidata for CAM clade and adding english entry to entry section. Have a good day :D! Interested inTaxonomy (talk) 22:14, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

TPO violations undone

It is not your decision to decide unilaterally what other editors may comment on, or where. Your reverts at User talk:BrownHairedGirl have been undone. If you believe that other editors are in violation of policy or guidelines in their comments, start by raising the issue at their Talk page, and if you don't receive satisfaction there, you can escalate to a centralized forum like WP:ANI. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 11:43, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

@Mathglot: Should the "semi-retired" be taken down and the block notice restored? She's not semi-retired. She is indef blocked with TPA revoked. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:46, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

My understanding of TPO is that you may not take down the "semi-retired" because she wrote it and you didn't. As far as the block notice, I don't know who removed it, but if BHG was the one who did, that is within her rights per WP:OWNTALK. There are a limited number of notices that may *not* be removed from a UTP, such as a declined block appeal, but that doesn't appear to be the case here, so, the answer to the second question is, no, you should not restore the block notice. Hope this helps, Mathglot (talk) 11:54, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

The Notice of the ArbCom case was archived. I think that more than enough arbs and admins watch the page, so if anyone sincerely had a problem with there not being a block notice to point at it would have been raised already. I'm sure I'm not the only editor old enough to remember Uther's behaviour on that talk page being "easy to interpret as "gravedancing" (even if intended otherwise)". DuncanHill (talk) 12:08, 22 August 2024 (UTC)