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News from India

"The Delhi High Court on Thursday issued a contempt of court notice to Wikipedia after ANI claimed that the platform had failed to comply with orders to disclose information on subscribers who made allegedly defamatory edits on ANI's Wikipedia page."

For the interested. ANI here is Asian News International. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:45, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A decent summary of the case can be found in an article by The Hindu here - [1]. Ravensfire (talk) 12:48, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Scroll.in has a decent update:[2]. That WP is a public utility is an interesting idea. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:00, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This continues to be an interesting case to see how the courts handle a case like this with the 2021 IT Rules, with some (small) parallels to what's happening with X in Brazil. What would stopping Wikimedia from doing business in India involve, beyond cutting off donations? I know the usual Wikimedia playbook around things like this, but will it work in this case with a judge that's already skeptical. Ravensfire (talk) 13:22, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fundraising was my thought as well. And they can of course go Turkey/Pakistan/China on us. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:24, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's the interesting question. There's a decent level of technical knowledge and resources available, can India craft a block that would be effective, with VPN's being the easy answer, and any work-arounds would be quickly shared. It would slow down editing from India, I think, more than it would affect reading. Ravensfire (talk) 13:33, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The court wants an "authorised representative of Wikipedia". Do we have those? "Your honor, I'm pleased to tell you that the WP-communities have started an RFC on Meta intended to authorise a representative, and the result of the discussion will be communicated to you as soon as the discussion has concluded, closed by ~~an independent closer~~ a panel of independent closers, and possibly reopened after a complaint about the close." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:23, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I snorted soda laughing at this. Fortunately, nothing beyond my pride was affected. Ravensfire (talk) 13:26, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

5 months later: "Your honor, the result of the discussion has been confirmed to be no consensus." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:52, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"As this is a collaborative process, we invite you and the representatives from ANI to particpate to better clarify the responsilibities involved, the expected qualifications and setup a new process to determine how best to determine our representatives." Ravensfire (talk) 13:58, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"You have now been blocked for making legal threats, which you are of course free to pursue off-wiki." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:02, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ravensfire Apparently OpIndia is on the case, this will make everything better.^[sarcasm] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:25, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh thank goodness! All of that relatively even coverage was worrying me. Ravensfire (talk) 17:41, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It would obviously be unwise of me to comment on any ongoing legal matter without first consulting with the WMF legal team, but rest assured that I'm keeping a close eye on this one.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 17:06, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Under no circumstances should Wikipedia reveal the identities of its editors to a ~~third-world~~ Non-western world government, especially when Wikipedia has no presence in that country. Doing so would set a very dangerous precedent. In the future,we might also see countries like North Korea and China demanding the details of editors.

On Talk:2024 Kolkata rape and murder incident, we had an IP user belonging to Hindu Raksha Dal, a violent far right extremist organisation^[1] threatening indian editors with legal actions for^[2] using the widely reported name of the subject in the article. Ratnahastin (talk) 02:40, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Third-world"? Who are first world and second world? These terms are deprecated and are pejorative. Telugujoshi (talk) 05:22, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh I was referring to the non-western world since freedom of speech is having a crisis over there. Rephrashed that. Returning to the topic, I would encourage you to drop this matter. It would be really unfortunate (at least for you) if you got your 15 year old account blocked over this Godi media outlet by making edits like these. Ratnahastin (talk) 13:36, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is no better. It is still bigotry. "Non-western world" and "freedom of speech is having a crisis over there"

I don't think there is place for racism and bigotry of any kind on Wikipedia. Correct me if I am wrong. Also, please do give me a link so that I can report you for bigotry.

A few counterexamples to your blanket "Non-western world" - Australia, New Zealand both supposedly have "freedom of speech".

If your "freedom of speech" is a dog whistle for freedom to proselytize, then governments which have the mandate of the citizens through fair and free elections, can enact the laws as per what the people want. Telugujoshi (talk) 00:04, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@RatnahastinIs that threat that you are going to get my account blocked? Please do specify what rules I have broken. I am not even contesting the reverts you made. By the way, what is "Godi Media"? I don't understand. Your name, ratnahastin, is not English as far as I know. It looks like it is "from over there" where there is no freedom of speech. Telugujoshi (talk) 01:19, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia (including The Signpost)

WP:RSPWP 📌 Generally unreliable +22[bq]

2024

Wikipedia is not a reliable source because open wikis are self-published sources. This includes articles, non-article pages, The Signpost, non-English Wikipedias, Wikipedia Books, and Wikipedia mirrors; see WP:CIRCULAR for guidance.[27] Occasionally, inexperienced editors may unintentionally cite the Wikipedia article about a publication instead of the publication itself; in these cases, fix the citation instead of removing it. Although citing Wikipedia as a source is against policy, content can be copied between articles with proper attribution; see WP:COPYWITHIN for instructions. Telugujoshi (talk) 03:45, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia itself is unreliable. Your watching or unwatching is irrelevant. Heal thyself first, who ever you are. You are not that important in the larger scheme of things not withstanding your co-founding of unreliable (as per editors) Wikipedia. Your founding is also contested. You didn't complete your PhD from a second rate university. That speaks volumes. But then I am a nobody - not even a page on this unreliable Wikipedia.

It is very sad to say the least. Wikipedia STEM pages,especially Mathematics and Computer Science (my PhD - yes I did write a thesis that too from one of the top five departments in the US), are excellent.

Please don't let your slavishness to the perfidious albion stop you from what is right. Telugujoshi (talk) 03:58, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can You Trust Dr. Wikipedia?

For the interested. Nothing groundbreaking, but a good read. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:38, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Matthew Parish

The attempt by Matthew Parish bring a libel claim against the Wikimedia Foundation in England and Wales was dismissed by Judge Karen Steyn.[3] This seems to have been a WP:IJUSTDONTLIKEIT response by Parish, who did not like his Wikipedia article mentioning his three year prison sentence for fraud in Switzerland.[4] ♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 18:29, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Blimey. Makes us lowly editors feel like Wiki vigilantes. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:16, 12 September 2024 (UTC) (p.s. can he get me mate off a driving ban? He says his missus was driving)[reply]

Quote from An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing: "Wikipedia seeks neutrality. An article about you written by anyone must be editorially neutral. It will not take sides and will report both the good and the bad about you from verifiable and reliable sources. It will not promote you. It will not right great wrongs. It will not always favour the truth. It will just contain factual information about you from independent, reliable sources." The article and talk page history of Matthew Parish suggest that somebody did not understand this. It is also worth looking at Judge Karen Steyn's comments when dismissing the libel claim, saying that Parish had made "‘egregious breaches of the duty of full and frank disclosure’ including that he had lived and worked abroad for the past two decades and his ‘extensive connections’ with Switzerland which ‘resulted in the court being misled’."--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 19:44, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Who mentioned dodgy anon IPs?? We all need a little cosy hideaway sometimes! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:01, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you want a laugh, read this by Parish about me. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:34, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wow. "Either they will correct themselves, or they must be exposed to its consequences"!! I hear Cheltenham is lovely at this time of the year. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:39, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttps://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/noida-news/ghaziabad-police-may-invoke-nsa-against-hindu-raksha-dal-leader-101723401345231.html

[2] ttps://www.hindurakshadal.org/media/downloads/gmail---representation-to-national-task-force-for-doctor-safety--submitted-by-hindu-raksha-dal.pdf

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