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Discussion for Today
[edit]- This page is transcluded from Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024_August_30
August 30
[edit]NEW NOMINATIONS
[edit]Category:Books about the history of San Francisco
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Dual merge per WP:NARROWCAT; only two articles. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:57, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Category:Palestinian Joint Operations Room
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories Mason (talk) 03:30, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Those are different types of categories, Category:Palestinian Joint Operations Room member groups is a "set", but the other is a topic. I was not sure whether to remove the topic category from the pages when I created the set? But if "overlapping" is a problem, then I can clean that up now, i.e. removing the category from anything that is also in the set? FourPi (talk) 04:36, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- > removing the category from anything that is also in the set?
- Please don't do that. Wait for others to see what the category currently looks like.Mason (talk) 13:26, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Those are different types of categories, Category:Palestinian Joint Operations Room member groups is a "set", but the other is a topic. I was not sure whether to remove the topic category from the pages when I created the set? But if "overlapping" is a problem, then I can clean that up now, i.e. removing the category from anything that is also in the set? FourPi (talk) 04:36, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete, after I added a link to Palestinian Joint Operations Room in the description of Category:Palestinian Joint Operations Room member groups. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:35, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Delete? Merge? Keep?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:31, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Category:Canadian ministers
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Canadian ministers to Category:Government ministers of Canada
- Nominator's rationale: I've been working a lot on fixing the capitalizations of the subcategories and aligning the categories in Category:Government ministers by country and I don't see why these would be two separate categories. It makes sense to merge "Canadian ministers" (which isn't the typical Minister of x of Country title) to the target from my point of view instead of throwing all the positions into a deeper category. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:05, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
Merge per nom.Striking my old vote; I explanation below makes sense and I didn't put the two together. Lean oppose with a preference to rename category. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:13, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose this way, one category appears to be for topic articles, the other is a set category for biographies. I don't think merging them is very helpful, I'd rather rename one or both categories in order to make the distinction clearer. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:15, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Some kind of renaming is warranted here, certainly, but the issue is that Category:Government ministers of Canada is for biographical articles about individual people who served as cabinet ministers, while Category:Canadian ministers is for concept articles about the job titles. I'll grant that the latter is at a bad name and should be moved to a better one, but it's not redundant with the target at all. Bearcat (talk) 17:34, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Bearcat, @Marcocapelle: Would a renaming to something like Category:Government minister positions of Canada make sense? That could distinguish it from Category:Government ministers of Canada. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:22, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, that sounds very reasonable. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:42, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm in favour of that as well then. I don't want to re-ping Bearcat, but I'll ping @Omnis Scientia based on them having participated already. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:07, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Hey man im josh, I'm in favor of that. Perhaps "ministries" rather than "minister positions"? Just a suggestion. @Marcocapelle, for you do consider too. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:54, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- I guess "minister positions" is slightly clearer than "ministries" (which may also refer to the civil servants organization that is headed by the minister). Marcocapelle (talk) 19:54, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Hey man im josh, I'm in favor of that. Perhaps "ministries" rather than "minister positions"? Just a suggestion. @Marcocapelle, for you do consider too. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:54, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm in favour of that as well then. I don't want to re-ping Bearcat, but I'll ping @Omnis Scientia based on them having participated already. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:07, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, that sounds very reasonable. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:42, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Bearcat, @Marcocapelle: Would a renaming to something like Category:Government minister positions of Canada make sense? That could distinguish it from Category:Government ministers of Canada. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:22, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Consensus appears to favor a rename, but some discussion on the rename target would be helpful :)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:27, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Category:Prejudice and discrimination in fiction
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:XY, this is an unhelpful multi-target category redirect. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:08, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Category:Fictional Bengali Hindus
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:XY, this is an unhelpful category redirect. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:05, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Category:Khwarezmid rulers
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Khwarezmid rulers to Category:Rulers of Khwarazm
- Nominator's rationale: More consistent with other articles and categories about the region (like Category:People from Khwarazm). —Trilletrollet [ Talk | Contribs ] 18:51, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Category:Films about First Nations people
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Films about First Nations people to Category:First Nations films
- Nominator's rationale: Recently created category not offering a particularly obvious distinction from its parent. Since every film in Category:First Nations films is about First Nations people by definition, it's not fully clear what would distinguish a First Nations film that belonged here from a First Nations film that didn't. Note as well that Category:Films about Native Americans, the most seemingly equivalent category to this as word order goes, is not a subcategory of a broader "Native American films" parent, but is itself the base category for films with Native American themes, characters and settings, and thus a sibling to Category:First Nations films rather than an uncle.
Also, Category:First Nations films is one of the categories that will likely need renaming per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 26#Category:First Nations, but as the issue has to do with ambiguity arising from the term's increasing usage in Australia, its new name will need to have the words "Canada" or "Canadian" in it somewhere, so reverse merging this the other way isn't the answer to that. But even if and when that does get renamed, this still won't be necessary as a separate subcategory of it. Bearcat (talk) 16:12, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:57, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Houses 1100-1500
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Houses completed in 1141 (1 P) to Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1141 and Category:Houses completed in the 12th century
- Propose merging Category:Houses completed in 1197 (1 P) to Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1197 and Category:Houses completed in the 12th century
- Propose merging Category:Houses completed in 1317 (1 P) to Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1317 and Category:Houses completed in the 14th century
- Propose merging Category:Houses completed in 1350 (1 P) to Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1350 and Category:Houses completed in the 14th century
- Nominator's rationale: merge, these are mostly isolated single-article categories, this is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:43, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Category:Optical microscope components
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Optical microscope components to Category:Microscope components
- Nominator's rationale: I don't see a reason to have both of these categories. Most of the entries in Category:Microscope components are particular to optical microscopes. I would be amenable to deleting Category:Microscope components instead and putting this category in its place. Srleffler (talk) 13:44, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- To put my rationale another way, if properly populated Category:Optical microscope components would suck nearly all the entries out of Category:Microscope components and leave the latter pointless. While there are other kinds of microscope, I doubt there is much need to categorize their components. Better to have one category that covers microscope components in general. An alternative would be to have only a narrower category that is particular to optical microscope components, with components of other types of microscope left uncategorized.--Srleffler (talk) 14:06, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Category:Microscope components per COMMONNAME, even though they will all be optical. Other microscopes are the exception to this, and they can be placed in sub-categories. We thus avoid a parent container empty of anything except subcategories. Andy Dingley (talk) 17:35, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- To put my rationale another way, if properly populated Category:Optical microscope components would suck nearly all the entries out of Category:Microscope components and leave the latter pointless. While there are other kinds of microscope, I doubt there is much need to categorize their components. Better to have one category that covers microscope components in general. An alternative would be to have only a narrower category that is particular to optical microscope components, with components of other types of microscope left uncategorized.--Srleffler (talk) 14:06, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Category:Noblemen
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Do we really need an intersection between men and nobility under EGRS? I'd be find with this if it were limited to specific titles. But, as this is coded, I foresee this becoming a mess if we have untitled male nobility by nationality categories. Mason (talk) 12:12, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- The country subcategories should be nominated too. If this parent category is going to be deleted, the subcategories should be merged back to respective nobility parents. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:30, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Category:1501 establishments in Venezuela
[edit]- Propose merging Category:1501 establishments in Venezuela (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:16th-century establishments in Venezuela
- Propose deleting Category:1501 in Venezuela (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:1500s establishments in Venezuela (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:1500s in Venezuela (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Category:1501 establishments in Venezuela is a single-member category which is unhelpful for navigation (and Category:1500s establishments in Venezuela would have the same problem if that was the upmerge target). Upmerge for now to the century level and delete the categories which will then become empty. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 06:18, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Merge/delete per nom. Also merge to Category:1501 establishments in South America. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:21, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Category:Ukrainian occupation of Russia
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Inherently flawed category; categories about military occupations do not contain occupied settlements, as the category can become rapidly out of date, especially in an ongoing war such as this one, and editors should not be expected to add or remove this type of category every time a settlement is captured or by either side. Typically, as is the case with Category:Russian occupation of Ukraine, these categories contain articles about the occupations themselves, not occupied settlements, but for this topic there is only one article pertaining specifically to the occupation, the main article on the only oblast which is partially occupied. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 11:43, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. No objection to having a category with articles about the military developments in this occupied area. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:01, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. More than 5 articles were included into category. Teterev53 (talk) 23:53, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Flemmish Nietzsche: after User:Teterev53 has reorganized the category, the nomination presumably changes to delete Category:Places of the Ukrainian occupation of Russia. I have tagged that category too. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:03, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle I would say delete both; four of the six articles in the occupation category merely duplicate Category:Attacks in Russia during the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and we don't need two categories on effectively the same thing; three of those four articles aren't even from after the start of the incursion/offensive, and thus Ukraine was not actually occupying any Russian territory. Until the category can sustain more than just an article on the category's topic and the person who runs it, I don't see a very good reason for its existence, or for the newly made Category:Places of the Ukrainian occupation of Russia. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 08:56, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- That is a fair point, I support deletion of both too. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:10, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle I would say delete both; four of the six articles in the occupation category merely duplicate Category:Attacks in Russia during the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and we don't need two categories on effectively the same thing; three of those four articles aren't even from after the start of the incursion/offensive, and thus Ukraine was not actually occupying any Russian territory. Until the category can sustain more than just an article on the category's topic and the person who runs it, I don't see a very good reason for its existence, or for the newly made Category:Places of the Ukrainian occupation of Russia. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 08:56, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Delete both?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 06:06, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Category:Beijing Municipal Committee of the Chinese Communist Party
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Beijing Municipal Committee of the Chinese Communist Party to Category:Province-level committees of the Chinese Communist Party
- Propose merging Category:Hunan Provincial Committee of the Chinese Communist Party to Category:Province-level committees of the Chinese Communist Party
- Propose merging Category:Hainan Provincial Committee of the Chinese Communist Party to Category:Province-level committees of the Chinese Communist Party
- Nominator's rationale: Three eponymous categories for political committees, each only containing the eponym with no other content at all. As always, everything that exists does not automatically get its own eponymous category just to recursively contain itself -- these would be fine if there were at least four or five spinoff articles to file in any of them besides the eponyms, but are not needed for just one thing. Bearcat (talk) 11:24, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Is it possible that given 2 days I could quickly write these entries to keep these categorized? TinaLees-Jones (talk) 11:52, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- New articles about notable topics are always welcome. That is irrespective of categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:46, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Is it possible that given 2 days I could quickly write these entries to keep these categorized? TinaLees-Jones (talk) 11:52, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy merge per WP:C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:29, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ToadetteEdit (talk) 18:13, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- Meanwhile the categories have been populated with articles that provide hardly any further information about these committees, so I am not changing my vote. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:01, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Is the population enough to keep the categories?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 05:52, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Category:The Numbers not in Wikidata
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:The Numbers not in Wikidata to Category:The Numbers ID not in Wikidata
- Nominator's rationale: To move where the articles have been recategorized to via the {{Cite The Numbers}} temp. Consistency with Category:The Numbers ID different from Wikidata. Trailblazer101 (talk) 05:51, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy redirect. There's no need to discuss this, especially since the proposed target "rename" already exists as a category, meaning the only thing that needs to happen is a categoryredirect. Bearcat (talk) 13:40, 30 August 2024 (UTC)