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Add African-American LGBT community to see also. 2600:6C50:7EF0:71E0:B473:33FC:E534:37BF (talk) 11:24, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done Why not? Myrealnamm-alt (talk) 12:40, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Move the title name to "LGBTQ community"

The Wikipedia article of LGBT has been moved to LGBTQ. So the title of this article should move to "LGBTQ community". AimanAbir18plus (talk) 15:54, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 27 August 2024

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LGBT culture → LGBTQ culture
LGBT community → LGBTQ community

– The article LGBTQ, which is about the initialism, was moved recently from LGBT after a recent requested move. LGBTQ has become the clear common name among reliable sources for the initialism, and this is also the case for the terms LGBTQ culture (See the ngram for LGBT vs LGBTQ culture) and LGBTQ community (Ngram for LGBT vs LGBTQ community). While I could have made this RM much broader in scope, I wanted to see if there was consensus to move LGBT community & LGBT culture and its subtopics (subtopics of LGBT culture) first (other articles like LGBT rights or LGBT history would have been more contentious because LGBTQ is not the more commonly used name in those instances [1] [2]). This new title would be consistent with the initialism and as the common name would better fulfill the article criteria. ~ F4U (talk • they/it) 17:44, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Sociology, WikiProject LGBT studies, WikiProject Sexology and sexuality, and WikiProject Gender studies have been notified of this discussion. ~ F4U (talk • they/it) 17:50, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per WP:CONSISTENT. estar8806 (talk) ★ 21:09, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support, this matches what I see irl and in most academic texts. Sock-the-guy (talk) 21:57, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom.

Shotgunheist ^💬 04:16, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support, although I understand LGBTQ+ tends to be preferred over LGBTQ. That may be too fiddly, though? Lewisguile (talk) 18:15, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

I also oppose the move at Talk:LGBTQ#Requested_move_14_August_2024, which ended before I noticed and had time to comment. My rationale for opposing here is the same.

"Queer" is a term for people in the global north and not the global south. It is a new term which gained acceptance in Western culture since the 2000s, but it has not penetrated to global majority. I recognize the arguments about how popular it is in Google ngrams, English language, and western culture, but this is a highly sensitive global topic and it seems colonial to me to force a change on the entire world when queer activism is not a global concept.

In the United States for example, the term "queer" is a catch-all for gender and sexuality-based minority groups who appear in the United States. Gender minorities of other cultures, including hijra in India and others listed in Category:Third gender, would not be queer. I challenge the notion that just because the "Q" is the next most important demographic in the United States after LGBT people that everyone in the world should be interested in queer rights before the rights of gender minorities in their own culture.

The LGBT Movement was founded on inclusivity. By prioritizing the Q over other possibilities, and especially because we have not recruited multicultural feedback into this discussion, we ought not commit to elevating the status of queer people over the other groups who are doing their own activism but who for lots of reasons still cannot express themselves in English Wikipedia. English Wikipedia has a special obligation to recognize that its information influences how the world views minority groups, and we ought to take care in speaking for them.

I do not fault queer activists in the United States for advocating to change the LGBT initialism in the US to LGBTQ; I just object to globalizing the US activism through Wikipedia to push it on everyone in the world, when for most of the world, queer identity is not a relevant concept in LGBT communities. It was hardly relevant anywhere 20 years ago, and to move from United States mainstream into a foreign culture takes at least a generation, if the concept even fits that society which it often will not.

I support a name change to LGBT+, which does globally apply, and which could include everyone even traditional and indigenous non-queer sexual and gender minorities. Bluerasberry (talk) 17:00, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

While I agree that a Western bias is one the most dominant systemic biases affecting Wikipedia in general, I don't see any evidence for the claim that queer identities are solely a US phenomenon. Since you mention India specifically, 9 of the 21 articles in Category:Pride parades in India include queer or LGBTQ in the name.

While I personally prefer LGBTQ+ as a more precise title for the base article, I don't think this is the place to relitigate that outcome.--Trystan (talk) 20:59, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support for consistency with base article, per WP:CRITERIA.--Trystan (talk) 20:47, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]