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State party conventions are fringe conventions and almost always have been, period. This has happened dozens of times in Utah and Minnesota especially, and even California and nationally, if you want to try and say people with the endorsements of the DCCC/NRCC, DSCC/NRSC, DGA/RGA are the "nominee" even when they get badly crushed in the primary like Bird just was. You seem to also exist in a universe where you are released from the burden of proof yourself. I know Harris memes are all the rage right now, but you're actually not unburdened by the context here and need actual sources of your own. It's really insane and laughable to me right now that the PRIMARY ELECTION is not determinative to you. Therequiembellishere (talk) 05:29, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He is the leading candidate therefore should be left on that article. But it doesn't change the fact that "Reichert" is the nominee. He is frontrunner for the Republican Party but not the nominee for the Republican Party. There is a difference. Mechanical Keyboarder (talk) 05:37, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He is not the "frontrunner" in some hazy pre-primary prognostication based on endorsements and polling, he is the only Republican candidate in the general and thereby the nominee. Full stop. This is literally how we have always considered this. When it's not 1am on the East Coast and journos actually wake up and write their stories, see how many of them talk about Republican nominee Semi Bird compared to Dave Reichert. Therequiembellishere (talk) 05:58, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, sorry that's fringe BS and nobody serious uses the "wellllll technically the results aren't officially certified yet so who knows???? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯" That's borderline election denialism at worst and pure ignorance at best. Reichert is ahead by nearly 200,000 votes and that's not changing. Most charitably, you are projecting the extraordinary situation with Biden and Harris and equating what happens with the DNC/RNC (ex post primary voters where delegates are legally empowered) to what happens in every state (small group of activists get together in a convention before actual primary voters in the hopes that their symbolic endorsement--and it's nothing but that--will influence them). It is not in any way an apt comparison. Therequiembellishere (talk) 06:10, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Would you like to say Carol Moseley Braun was not the 1992 Dem nominee for IL Senate or Claire McCaskill was not the 2004 Dem nominee for MO governor because the incumbent was endorsed by the DSCC and the DGA and their respective state parties? Were AOC and Pressley not the 2018 Dem nominees for House for the same reason? Therequiembellishere (talk) 06:12, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is unserious and not applicable to anything not the presidency. Go ahead and start calling every primary winner "presumptive" until the official results certification months later. Really honestly, go ahead. You'll technically be right but no sane person would be that pedantic and it would be an extreme disservice to readers, but go ahead. Therequiembellishere (talk) 06:15, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Back and forth log.
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The state party can endorse whoever the hell it wants. It literally does not matter. The VOTERS in the PRIMARY are the ONLY thing that matters. And Semi Bird is behind by almost 200,000 votes, so good luck calling him the nominee in November. You are posting "false info" bc you just don't know what you're talking about, sorry. Therequiembellishere (talk) 05:04, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No. Literally no. Nobody ever has ever said that. You show ME a source that says a party-level convention endorsement makes them the nominee. The history of party endorsees who go on to lose the primary and not go on as the nominee for the general is EXTREMELY long, esp from fringe conventions. You're about to see UT courts unambiguously slap a frivolous lawsuit from Lyman down. Bird isn't as dumb// [4]Therequiembellishere (talk) 05:19, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you're going to edit this article stating Recihert is the nominee. Then you should post a source saying he is rather than try to use a slippery slope to make up claims. Mechanical Keyboarder (talk) 05:21, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I did. You apparently don't care about the NYTimes saying he has 200,000 more votes than Bird and will not qualify for the general election in November. Here that is again btw. And once again, the show is on the other foot. Would you care to find a single source that calls Bird the nominee? And again, the state party endorsing (and in that presser, explicitly disavowing him) doesn't count. // [5]Therequiembellishere (talk) 05:25, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How about you post another source that's not behind paywall? Where in that does it say he is the nominee? Are you going to make that assumption and/or you by yourself going to give him the nomination? Mechanical Keyboarder (talk) 05:26, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Paywall isn't my problem because it's a reliable source, but you can also google "reichert" right now and it will give you probably 50-odd articles with the election results. Here's a gift link though, love, since that seems too difficult. // [6]Therequiembellishere (talk) 05:31, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It says he's the Republican who will be in the general election. Hope that helps. Good luck finding a one (1), single source that uses the word "nominee" to refer Semi Bird. Let me know when you do. Therequiembellishere (talk) 05:35, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Headlines are written by the copy desk and from what I can read in the (paywalled??! I thought that was a problem for you) article's actual content says "endorsed gubernatorial hopeful Semi Bird", which is not the nomination. The history of 50,000+ primaries and WP:SENSE also applies here. Therequiembellishere (talk) 05:40, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The "slippery slope" of saying the person who won the primary is the nominee??? The slippery slope is calling the person who one a party convention of a few dozen wingnuts is the nominee! Something we emphatically DON'T do every time MN Dems and UT Repubs do this. TAKE IT TO THE TALK PAGE. Therequiembellishere (talk) 05:43, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
