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I agree. Move to Disney. Although those who type Disney most often mean the Walt Disney Company, it seems reasonable that a significant minority would mean Walt Disney or Walt Disney Pictures, which actually produces the "Disney movies." --Plainsong 05:04, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC) I agree too. Move to Disney. For the reasons Plainsong said. Remes 03:22, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC) Seeing no opposition, I have performed this move. - UtherSRG 12:10, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)

I think this move was misguided and worked out terribly. There are over 600 pages that link to Disney, and 99%+ would work just fine pointing to The Walt Disney Company. We either should disambiguate all 600+ pages (a huge task), or else make Disney a rd and deal with the problems (where a Disney link refers to the person) as we find them. In short, I think it should be moved back. – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) June 30, 2005 02:46 (UTC)

Walt Disney Company is clearly, to me, the most dominant of uses. Cburnett 05:08, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

  • Actually, in my work on shortcutting links to the disambiguation page, I found that most uses of Disney should really refer to a specific subsidiary. Very few really meant The Walt Disney Company. I find that using The Walt Disney Company as the catch all would force the reader of the original page to try to figure out what subsidiary was intended to be referred to by the link. ppblais 18:33, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Mike

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It doesnt say how is Mike Disney related to the rest of the Disneys.

Merge to?

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How about the company specific stuff merges into The Walt Disney Company, the family stuff merges into Disney family, the rest is moved to Disney (disambiguation), and Disney is redirected to The Walt Disney Company with some appropriate disambiguation header links added to that page? Ewlyahoocom 21:32, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Requested move 20 June 2018

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: consensus not to move the page at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 20:46, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]


Disney (disambiguation)Disney – The term most commonly refers to either the company or the founder. I don't believe any of these are the primary topic. 2601:183:101:58D0:5D57:4B1C:A325:C74C (talk) 10:51, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Requested move 26 November 2021

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Consensus has not changed since the previous RM. (closed by non-admin page mover) Lennart97 (talk) 12:10, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Disney (disambiguation)Disney – Rename this to just Disney. Disney should not redirect to the company, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_Walt_Disney_Company/Archive/2015#Requested_move_18_May_2015 Aalaa324 (talk) 11:21, 26 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Nothing has changed since the above RM discussion from two years ago, the company is still the clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. InfiniteNexus (talk) 17:53, 26 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Requested move 24 January 2024

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The result of the move request was: not moved. After much-extended time for discussion, there is a clear absence of consensus for the proposed move, and more like a consensus against. BD2412 T 02:29, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Disney (disambiguation)Disney – Follows on the RM that failed to move the main company to Disney. There is no primary topic although the company and the person may be likely. see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_Walt_Disney_Company#Requested_move_11_December_2023 WP:NOPRIMARY GabrielPenn4223 (talk) 10:44, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak support no clear primary topic given other uses as well even though the company is likely to be the most common use. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:47, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Concur that WP:NOPRIMARY applies here. As I pointed out in opposing the recent proposed RM to move the company to this title, "Disney" can refer to the man, the company, the animated movies, the live-action movies, the TV shows, the parks, the merchandise, etc. It is always funny at D23 Expo (I have attended three times, in 2015, 2017, and 2022) to see Disney fans from different fandoms share their interest in "Disney" and slowly realize that the word "Disney" means very different things to different people. For example, like most normal people, visiting a Disney park once every five years is more than enough, because I am primarily a fan of Disney films and television shows. I find it very amusing that there are people who visit a Disney park every year, every month, every week, or even every day. --Coolcaesar (talk) 17:23, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong support per WP:NOPRIMARY and my comments at the prior RM mentioned. There is clearly no primary target for "Disney" as some, like myself, mainly think of the company while others think of the studio, Walt Disney, etc. Several trade reports and news headlines use "Disney" to refer to a multitude of these differing subjects, so automatically assuming someone searching "Disney" is looking for the company when they could be looking for the studio or individual is a bad precedent to maintain. Trailblazer101 (talk) 17:46, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please note that Walt Disney's signature is used as the company's logo. For good reason. Randy Kryn (talk) 00:35, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Walt Disney's place in western civilization and the shaping of the 20th century in entertainment, film, and the various Walt Disney Shows and their impact on societal norms in both the early age of television and later, is profound. Walt Disney catapulted several cartoon characters to icons, introduced a generation to space, and had a vision which came about at exactly the right time to create these affects. The individual has at least, and arguably much more, long-term historical significance as the company and deserves equal billing under the name 'Disney'. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:41, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose Although arguments for WP:NOPRIMARY are convincing, I feel the company still has greater long-term significance and modern-day relevance (considering it's still around and actively contributing to society) that gives it an edge over what readers are likely looking for. Within articles, when we say "Disney did this", we usually mean the company (which can be referred to as "Disney" without ever using its expanded form), whereas it is not possible for us to use "Disney" to refer to Walt Disney without mentioning his full name once. The RM that did not move The Walt Disney Company to Disney is actually not relevant; a name can be too ambiguous as a title but at the same time be the WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT. Barack Obama should not be moved to Obama, but Obama should still redirect to Barack Obama. InfiniteNexus (talk) 20:16, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Sure you can use the single word 'Disney' to refer to Walt. Disney created Mickey Mouse. Disney introduced children to the possibility of space travel. Disney's vision created "Disneyland". And if I may, let me apologize on behalf of Walt Disney that he died, thereby shirking his responsibility to continue contributing to society (couldn't resist). Randy Kryn (talk) 00:58, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I said you can't use "Disney" to refer to Walt Disney without mentioning his full name at least once. By contrast, an article can use "Disney" to refer to the company without ever mentioning the full name "The Walt Disney Company". In fact, there are presently 3,753 uses of an unpiped Disney to refer to the company, versus a mere 82 uses of [[Walt Disney|Disney]] (which should really be changed to [[Walt Disney]] if referring to the person or [[Disney]] if referring to his company. InfiniteNexus (talk) 16:40, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hmm. I don't think the idea that a person is typically introduced with a full name and is then referred to by a surname is any more relevant here than the idea that typically the readers are looking for the company. It's probably fair to say that the terms "Disney" and "Walt Disney" are largely synonymous for the average reader, which in itself means that there's a clear ambiguity between the person and their company. --Joy (talk) 08:25, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    See my reply above. "Disney" can act as a shorthand for the company without ever invoking its full name; "Disney" can only act as a shorthand for the person only after his full name is stated once. InfiniteNexus (talk) 16:40, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You're describing the article style when editing, but what we care most when discussing primary topic by usage is reader behavior and expectations. The idea that an average English reader encounters the term "Disney" in reference to a person and then looks that up in the encyclopedia, expecting in turn to be navigated in a reasonably efficient way, is perfectly sensible. --Joy (talk) 17:32, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's the same outside of editing. When you hear "Disney film", you are more likely to interpret that as "a film produced by Walt Disney Pictures", not "a film produced by Walt Disney (the person)". If you type "Disney" into the search bar, you are more likely looking for the company — if you were looking for the person, you would type "Walt Disney". Just take a look at the most recent news results for "Disney" — how many of those are referring to the person? [1] as well. InfiniteNexus (talk) 01:31, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Just to get this straight, when you are talking of "Disney films" do you mean the ones represented by this signature of Walt Disney or the films made under the banner of this Walt Disney signature? Randy Kryn (talk) 01:40, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I clearly wrote "Walt Disney Pictures" in my comment, not "Walt Disney Studios". No one really uses the term "Disney film" to refer to films distributed by Walt Disney Studios (which includes Fox, Marvel, Star Wars, etc.). But I'm not sure how that's relevant? InfiniteNexus (talk) 01:43, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The relevancy exists in the full honor and recognition of the life and accomplishments of Walt Disney, and all of the corporate logos containing his signature attest to this long-term historical importance of the name 'Disney' when referring to both 'Walt Disney' and the companies which bear his name. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:44, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    "honor and recognition" have absolutely nothing to do with WP title policy and procedures. This very strange perception of yours to the contrary is also behind your constant attept to overcapitalize things as signification of importance/prominence, against MOS:SIGCAPS and against title policy. This really needs to come to an end, Randy.  — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  07:35, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't think this is a good example that it's the "same" outside of editing, because these phrases are particularly affected by what first comes to mind, but the idea that there were films specifically associated with Walt Disney is perfectly sensible as well. There's other phrases that could be particularly associated with people, like "Disney dynasty", but we wouldn't use them as the determinative example of what constitutes the entire extent of the meaning of "Disney". --Joy (talk) 11:48, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: WikiProject Disney has been notified of this discussion. InfiniteNexus (talk) 20:17, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: WikiProject Film has been notified of this discussion. InfiniteNexus (talk) 20:18, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Statistics snapshot for the last three months
December
  • 9270 views of Disney
  • The_Walt_Disney_Company Walt_Disney link 12358 [identifiable clickstreams]
  • The_Walt_Disney_Company Disney_(disambiguation) link 587 [identifiable clickstreams]
  • 955 views of Disney (disambiguation)
  • 62 total identifiable outgoing clickstream destinations where the article name starts with "Disney" or "Walt Disney"
  • 35313 total identifiable outgoing clickstreams to those
November
  • 9444 views of Disney
  • The_Walt_Disney_Company Walt_Disney link 12688 [identifiable clickstreams]
  • The_Walt_Disney_Company Disney_(disambiguation) link 699 [identifiable clickstreams]
  • 1048 views of Disney (disambiguation)
  • 56 total identifiable outgoing clickstream destinations where the article name starts with "Disney" or "Walt Disney"
  • 36132 total identifiable outgoing clickstreams to those
October
  • 10002 views of Disney
  • The_Walt_Disney_Company Walt_Disney link 16696
  • The_Walt_Disney_Company Disney_(disambiguation) link 796
  • 1180 views of Disney (disambiguation)
  • 66 total identifiable outgoing clickstream destinations where the article name starts with "Disney" or "Walt Disney"
  • 42213 total identifiable outgoing clickstreams to those
Methodology notes

The totals calculated with queries such as:

% grep -P '^'The_Walt_Disney_Company'\t' clickstream-enwiki-2023-12.tsv %7C awk '$2 ~ /^(Walt_)?Disney/ { c++; t += $4 } END { print c, t }'
Sorry for the extra use of grep, it's just a speed optimization, as it seems to be 6x faster for me in this environment than just checking $1 with this awk.
The two most common topics are the person and their eponymous company, clearly, yet because they're so intertwined, and we don't have measurements that are that precise, it's still hard to say how many people click the Walt Disney link in the hatnote as opposed to the Walt Disney links in the lead or the rest of the text. Regardless, the sheer amount of it is suspect. Conventionally, we'd be looking for e.g. ~90% people landing at the primary topic and not reaching for navigation aids, and while we can't confirm that measurement here because we can't discern the Walt links, it sure sounds like the ratio might not be that good. From the WikiNav graph at the disambiguation page, it's apparent that most people who got there were looking for people, so even if those ratios are relatively small (around 6-8% in this sample) they're also indicative of ambiguity.
Trying to present all this ambiguity to the readers in a more straightforward way is probably a worthwhile endeavor. If not, in a few months time we'll have the data to support a revert either way, and MOS:DABCOMMON will make sure the average reader isn't astonished. --Joy (talk) 08:52, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
  • Oppose I am late to this discussion but I would also like to register my opinion against such a rename. "Disney" commonly refers to the corporation and this is completely compatible with the article having the name "The Walt Disney Company" as a natural disambiguation and as the name that is more technically correct and legally. The disambiguation page for Disney is really only necessary for other secondary and tertiary meanings of the term and that includes the company's founder who is rarely mentioned compared to the company itself ... without taking anything away from his accomplishments or historic importance. Jorahm (talk) 17:51, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The RM has been closed, so no further !votes can be cast. InfiniteNexus (talk) 17:57, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]