Talk:Bernie Sanders

Sanders Defense of Crime Bill

His actual defense of the Crime Bill back in the day was because he thought the country needed more jails and needed to be tougher on crime. That's what he said then, and ought to be presented rather than what he said afterthe fact when his position became unpopular. https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/26/politics/sanders-1994-crime-bill-kfile/ 2604:2D80:B50E:5100:584C:E496:377:9E81 (talk) 13:26, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Early life/Father Elias Sanders/Holocaust

The use of the conjunction 'although' in the sentence "Elias Sanders […] became a paint salesman, although his family was killed in the Holocaust" does not make any sense. And even after reading through the two references, I cannot find out what exactly is actually meant by the sentence. The Kurt F. Stone, "Jews of Capitol Hill" source claims that "[h]is father […] had emigrated from Poland at age seventeen after (sic!) his family had been wiped out in the Holocaust", which is obviously false, and the quote should be deleted IMHO. Elias Sanders emigrated in 1921, when there was no Holocaust in sight. There is obviously no causal relationship between the Holocaust and his emigration. A more detailed account of his immmigration history and his travels between Europe and the U.S. can be found in this article. The npr.org source OTOH reads (a bit incoherently) "Sanders' father's family was mostly wiped out during the Holocaust, and his father was a struggling paint salesman", without providing specifics for the fate of his family and the identity of the persons in question. Elias Sanders' core family (wife, children) lived in the U.S., and at least his mother died years before WW2 (in 1934). Although there is (speculative) information about a half-brother being killed, AFAICT nothing is known about other siblings. IMHO the Holocaust reference should be removed from the chapter's first paragraph and left to the second paragraph, where it more generally refers to 'relatives' in Poland. Mottenkiste (talk) 13:08, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

incorrectly citing radio interview as direct accusation of blame within post election activities section.

in the section "Post-election activities" there is a false claim that Bernie sanders blamed the Clinton campaign for Russian interference. The section clearly uses language that asserts a stance and statement that does not exist in the sourced article tied to it or the sources of that source(direct quote: "he blamed the Clinton campaign for not doing more to prevent Russian interference." linking to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders#cite_note-:6-277).

excerpt from the above linked source reads the incorrect assertion provided:

“The real question to be asked is what was the Clinton campaign [doing about Russian interference]? They had more information about this than we did,” Sanders said in the interview with Vermont Public Radio.

end of excerpt.

having listened to the entire radio interview, reviewing the linked source for this claim, and the sources within that source there does not appear to be a single instance that could be viewed as a direct statement where Bernie Sanders Blamed the Clinton campaign, there may be statements that indicate a view that action should have been taken however that is in no way something that can be put forth as a statement of blame and leaving historical accounts incorrectly recounting the past hurts both Bernie Sanders image and record and opens the floor to project narratives that cannot be confirmed.

I ask that the article be corrected to remove the claim that he blamed the Clinton campaign for this issue or that statements made lead media outlets argue that his statements to assume such however as it stands the wording states him assigning blame as a matter of fact and that is incorrect. AnotherDevNalyd (talk) 23:19, 28 August 2024 (UTC)