Talk:Mount Rainier

Name of Mt. Rainier

I realize I was wrong to unilaterally change the opening sentence to exclude “also known as Tacoma or Tahoma.” I am not going to do that anymore. I am genuinely trying to reach a consensus. I live in Eatonville Washington near Mt. Rainier and nobody calls it Tahoma/Tacoma. The official name is Mt. Rainier. I was wondering if the native name could be in the info box but in the lead sentence it could just say “Mt. Rainier.” I will abide by whatever is reached through consensus. I’m just offering a suggestion. NapoleonX (talk) 05:21, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

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Parent peak of mt. rainier in Mexico ???

This is insane 2600:6C4E:B7F:F850:F84E:C532:603A:9555 (talk) 04:03, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

The source explains: The prominence parent for a peak is the nearest ridgewalk-connected higher peak with greater prominence than the given peak. It will always be both higher and more prominent than the peak itself. Schazjmd (talk) 13:43, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

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Native Names of Rainier

Per MOS:LEADLANG, only one non-English name for a place can be in the lead sentence if that name is a common variant. Otherwise, other names must be elsewhere in the article. TaivoLinguist (Taivo) (talk) 06:02, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

"Tahoma" certainly qualifies, as it has fairly wide use in geographic names (Little Tahoma, Tahoma National Cemetery, Tahoma State Forest, Tahoma School District, etc.) and has been used as a substitute or second mention for Rainier by non-local outlets, such as the LA Times and the Washington Post. SounderBruce 06:08, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Tahoma is an English name, təqʷubəʔ is a non-English name. Like @SounderBruce said, Tahoma is a common secondary English usage word for the mountain, so, in my opinion, both should remain. PersusjCP (talk) 06:12, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Yes, since its a common name in English, "Tahoma" certainly qualifies under MOS:LEADLANG as an alternate, but not the Lushootseed original. The Lushootseed original can be in the "Name" section and is certainly appropriate there. --TaivoLinguist (Taivo) (talk) 06:20, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Is this a reliable source?

Can I trust this article? For school research? Because no one at my school believes Wikipedia is a reliable source. Foofy Plop (talk) 15:39, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

@Foofy Plop, the reliable sources are listed in the References section at the bottom of the article. Schazjmd (talk) 15:40, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Tahoma

Mount Rainier isn't called Tahoma. It's near Tahoma though. Right? Foofy Plop (talk) 17:39, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Tahoma is another name for the mountain. There is no "place" named Tahoma. Schazjmd (talk) 17:51, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Last eruption

The infobox listed the last eruption as 1450, but the text of the article lists recorded 19th century activity. This is a contradiction in the article, and the way we normally handle it is by noting both sources since both are reliable. I've moved the 1450 date and citation to the body of the paragraph and out of the infobox so not as to overweight it. Happy to discuss, but came across this as a reader and it was fairly confusing, so I went ahead and made the change. If people think there's a better way to address it, I'm all ears. Just don't think the status quo is the right presentation. TonyBallioni (talk) 03:51, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Elevation

The elevation was changed in this article on Sept. 9 2024, but is not based on an official measurement. I'd propose that elevations of mountains in the United States should use the USGS as the official measurement. Additional measurements could be added, but should not replace the USGS measurement until any new measurements are adopted by the USGS. 2601:601:602:50A0:5272:B05:CE0:FBB5 (talk) 17:36, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

I agree, these findings were published in a blog post and not even peer reviewed. ☆ Bri (talk) 15:35, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

The blog post even says "[Note these results are not official unless approved by Rainier National Park]". The edit should be reverted. DJ Cane _(he/him) (Talk) 14:48, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Odd that he would say that the National Park Service determines elevation, I would think it is actually a function of US Geological Survey (USGS). Don't infoboxes always use USGS heights? ☆ Bri (talk) 22:44, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

You're correct, I'm just pointing out that even the source offered says they shouldn't be used as the official elevation. DJ Cane _(he/him) (Talk) 17:06, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

@SounderBruce: it looks like you added a citation, and may not be aware of this discussion. Do you have thoughts one way or the other? ☆ Bri (talk) 21:18, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: The following comment was left on this talk page in a new section. I am adding it here so that participating editors get notified.

Hello everyone, I'm the Park Geologist at Mount Rainier. Someone recently changed the height of the mountain on the wiki entry from 14,410 (official height) to 14,399.6 (a single survey done by Eric Gilbertson that is not peer reviewed or official in any way). Can we get that changed back to 14,410 for now until we have a chance to review Eric's work, his raw data, and have NOAA's Geodetic Survey weigh in on the official height? Again, the work by Gilbertson is NOT official and should to be represented as official until we all can weigh in on it. Thanks! - Scott Beason (scott_beason - at - nps.gov)

DJ Cane _(he/him) (Talk) 20:59, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Update: As there has been no dissent and this has been open for several days now, I have reverted the infobox elevation and citation back to the old value. I have also removed the Height subsection and moved relevant portions of the prose into the Subsidiary peaks subsection. I kept the new data as it appears to have some weight, but reworded it to show that it is new research that isn't official or peer reviewed. I kept existing citations for that section.

Height of the Mountain

Hello everyone, I'm the Park Geologist at Mount Rainier. Someone recently changed the height of the mountain on the wiki entry from 14,410 (official height) to 14,399.6 (a single survey done by Eric Gilbertson that is not peer reviewed or official in any way). Can we get that changed back to 14,410 for now until we have a chance to review Eric's work, his raw data, and have NOAA's Geodetic Survey weigh in on the official height? Again, the work by Gilbertson is NOT official and should to be represented as official until we all can weigh in on it. Thanks! - Scott Beason (scott_beason - at - nps.gov) 158.68.218.126 (talk) 19:03, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for reaching out. We are currently having a discussion regarding this situation here. I will copy your comment over there so participating editors get notified. DJ Cane _(he/him) (Talk) 20:55, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Sorry and thanks - Saw that after I posted it! -Scott 158.68.218.126 (talk) 21:19, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Feel free to add additional comments there as you see fit. DJ Cane _(he/him) (Talk) 21:31, 9 October 2024 (UTC)