Talk:Family tree of the Greek gods

Dione daughter of Epimetheus?

I know Hesiod makes Dione, the mother of Aphrodite, an Oceanid, and pseudo-Apollodorus makes her a first generation Titan, and that there's a Dione who's the daughter of Atlas (but not the mother of Aphrodite) but were does the tradition of Dione, mother of Aphrodite and consort of Zeus as the daughter of Epimetheus come from? Deiadameian (talk) 22:56, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@Deiadameian: As you pointed out, the different versions are:

• Hesiod – daughter of Oceanus and Tethys.
• Bibliotheca – daughter of Gaia and Uranus and mother of Aphrodite
• Homer – mother of Aphrodite
• Hyginus – mother by Zeus of Aphrodite and the child of Earth and Aether

A few secondary sources: Hard, p. 80; Gantz, p. 12; Grimal, s.v. Dione, p. 138; Tripp, s.v. Dione, p. 203; Smith, s.v. Dione.

There is also the Dione that is the daughter of Atlas and the wife of Tantalus, the Nereid Dione, and apparently she's also mentioned by Pherecydes.

Nowhere in any of these sources is Epimetheus mentioned, so (as far I can tell) this is simply erroneous. Even if there is a version somewhere in which Dione is daughter of Epimetheus, it wouldn't be correct to have it displayed here, as this chart should represent the most widely accepted account of their parentage, children, etc.

As Hesiod is followed throughout much of this chart, and his version is usually taken before that in the Bibliotheca and in Hyginus, I think Dione ought to be changed here so she's a daughter of Oceanus and Tethys. This will require a bit of fiddling about, but, if what I've said is agreeable, I'll see if I can do it.

— Dave12121212 [talk] 01:22, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

References

@Dave12121212: Yeah I agree. Deiadameian (talk) 04:02, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

This is not arranged as a family tree.

This is not arranged as a family tree. Ocobrinyc (talk) 13:01, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

What do you mean? Deiadameian (talk) 10:27, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Psyche & Hedone

they forgot Psyche, goddess of the human soul and wife of Eros, and Hedone, goddess of plesure and dauter of Psyche. along with Cyrene and Aristaios Ryan LeBrun (talk) 15:20, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

and what about posidens kid? Ryan LeBrun (talk) 18:43, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

PDF

The tree is cut off in the pdf format. Ryan LeBrun (talk) 19:31, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Dionysus?

There is no Dionysus 196.12.150.130 (talk) 05:06, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 July 2024

add Hercules to family tree as he is the son of Zeus but his name is not there under the kids of Zeus 173.72.3.91 (talk) 18:47, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

It is present as Heracles. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 19:13, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Kronos and Chronus

I'm, quite honestly, just Greek Mythos nerd. But, Kronos and Chronos are separate figures. I'm only posting to the talk because I noticed that Chronos, Aion and Kairos(Not to be confused with Caeros) aren't on the tree.
Kronos, occasionally spelt 'Cronos' or 'Cronus', is the Greek Titan and father to the original six gods, as well as Chiron and other repeated figures in Greek myth. Meanwhile Chronos is one of the three Greek personification of time, being in a trio of gods with Aion and Kairos.
In the mythology, Kronos killed his father, Oranus, for his throne under the guidance of Gaea. After that he took the throne with his older sister, and wife, Rhea. Then comes how Zeus became king. Kronos and Rhea produced five gods (Demeter, Hestia, Hera, Hades, and Poseidon), eating all of them for fear of a prophecy of them taking his throne. The last kid, Zues, was born in secret and hidden, blah, blah, blah. Kronos ate a rock, blah, blah, he dies at the hands of his extremely and justifiably pissed kids, blah, Zeus is now king of the gods. Now, Kronos' fate after this is up for debate, but it's generally accepted that he was cast into Tartarus with many of the other Titans. This does not include Prometheus, Epimetheus, Helios, Oceanus, Atlas, Astraeus or the female Titans. In Orphic poems, he's locked in a cave with Nyx for eternity. Gaea then births Typhon in retribution to more of her children being locked away.
Also in the mythology, the Orphic version, Chronus (Time itself) is the creator of Aether, Chaos and an egg which later hatches Phanes (The father of the original gods in the Orphic religion). And in the Heptamychos(The seven recesses) by Pherecydes of Syros, his semen was placed in the recesses of the earth and then created the first gods.
This is could also be just me being picky, but they should all be there in my opinion. Or at least Chronos, since Aion and Kairos don't really have a mythology that's been written down. IzralliPlayz (talk) 17:01, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Chronos doesn't fit into this existing tree, which is based mostly upon Hesiod's Theogony (especially in the upper parts), whereas the genealogical information we have on Chronos comes mostly from Orphic cosmogonies (which don't agree with each other, let alone the Hesiodic tradition!). It wouldn't really be appropriate or accurate to try to attach him to the current tree, as that would entail concatenating genealogical information from disparate sources, which differ significantly in era, context, and purpose.

In fact, the existence of this page at all is somewhat problematic, as it seems to imply that Greek mythology is static and consistent (a misconception a number of people might have, which we don't want to reinforce), as though these are characters from a novel or movie or something, when, in reality, the various divine genealogies given by numerous different sources certainly cannot be boiled down to a single, coherent chart. Perhaps a better idea would be to restrict ourselves to the Theogony, and rename this page to "Family tree of the Greek gods in Hesiod's Theogony" (or similar), seeing as much of the chart is already based upon that work; this way we wouldn't be mixing together information from different sources in a problematic way, as we are currently. Saying that, we do already have multiple genealogical charts at Theogony which do a better job than a single chart could, though, regardless, I do still see geniune encyclopedic usefulness in such a page. – Michael Aurel (talk) 00:39, 29 August 2024 (UTC)